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hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy

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burns here i work from future theatre

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and you know we like to listen to mmm

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radio on sunday nights at 9pm 9pm what

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o.o the best network on the whole entire

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me

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you

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welcome folks welcome welcome to paying

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radio tonight is Sunday May third 2015

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we are broadcasting live from the iron

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Studios north up here in northern

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Wisconsin I'm connected in with my

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co-host Ken Storch all the way down and

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will say is it dry Oklahoma are you guys

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dry this time of year can oh no man I'm

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in Northeast oh I'm right in the

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foothills of the Ozark Mountains on the

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Missouri and Arkansas border I'm in the

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Ozarks so it's wet green they call it

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green country it's beautiful lush green

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tropical almost nice nice i would have

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never thought of that are you you close

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to the Joplin lights then smooth this oh

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gosh yes oh yeah and in the Hornets pook

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lights yeah you listeners George Doug I

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know you guys live in missouri right

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right on the border as you go towards

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Joplin on Oklahoma Missouri there's the

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Hornet spook lights excuse me not Joplin

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yeah Joplin yeah right there on highway

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44 and then there's st. there's the st.

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Joe ghost lights and then the Hornet

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lights like I said so yeah there's a lot

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activity a lot of strange stories come

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out of the Ozarks Wow yeah we are we're

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about two and a half hours from what's

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called the Paulding light in northern

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Michigan strange light to that I visited

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a few times and it's been uh you know

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it's there's been a couple TV shows out

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there no one's been able to prove what

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it is they claim it's highway lights or

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headlights coming down the highway i'm

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not buying that and they did the same

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thing here on the horn lights in the end

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and the st. Joe spook light is that it's

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no reflection off of clouds or fog banks

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from the highway well those stories go

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back to the early 1800s and there wasn't

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any highway back then right right

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personally I think they're earth lights

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I think its mother earth given offs

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mm-hmm that's my take on it you know

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right but what the hell do I know there

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you go Ken let's do some do some shout

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outs tonight quick because we do have to

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get bill on in a couple minutes but go

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ahead take it away well I want to say

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a shout-out to mike and chrissy they're

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down in the in the campground listening

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to the radio show here in northeast

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Oklahoma Doug and Christi and George and

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patty Lorna thanks again for all your

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input your hard work and helping us be

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quasi successful you know at least you

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give us a chance so thanks for your hard

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work and dick and Marilyn from the

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Oklahoma UFO paranormal group we're

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going to be putting on a one-day

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training suppose m-class in August in

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Tulsa so we're looking forward to that

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and I want to have a shout out to Lynn

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Simpson and New Mexico there you go i'm

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going to do a couple shout outs here i'm

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going to do one shot out to debra

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anderson for hooking me up with the

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guest tonight my deborah is an awesome

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friend very close to the family hooked

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me up with bill MUFON man schroeder

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tonight we're gonna listen to him talk

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about UFOs investigations an incident

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over Miami to a small small book that he

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wrote and so there's a lot more going on

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and we think another shout out to josh

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wooden Squatch country up in northwest

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Wisconsin and I have one more here

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where's my sheet and we got a shuttle to

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a land Daytona Beach Florida that

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checked in last week so just kind of

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doing some housecleaning on the cleaning

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up there to get the people that checked

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in last week yeah and we appreciate you

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folks tuning in listening to us I know I

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enjoy it and we also enjoy your feedback

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so don't hesitate to contact us and let

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us know what you think what topics you'd

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like for us to go down explore and

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through our Facebook page you know type

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know a note or an email to staff at

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enough we even have a spot for sightings

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if you've seen anything or seen any

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unexplained you can actually send an

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email to sightings at inception radio

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network doc calm and me and ken will go

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over you know uh go over the letter and

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you know try to try to figure all well

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you know what you've seen or hit hook

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you up at the right people will say well

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yeah and you know what you bring up a

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good part point there MJ and I'm one of

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those that believe that with the

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an age of the internet that this is

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really turning on a whole new light on

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the flying saucer et phenomena and i

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think that's that's where the disclosure

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is going to come from in terms of

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information getting out people having

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experiences and being able to contact

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someone like you and I right right

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exactly and in working together and on

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all this is definitely a key you know I

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mean being one entity and not fighting

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each other and there are more yeah and

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that's another good point MJ is that

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this is a collective effort it's going

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to take a whole lot of people to drag

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this into the bright sunshine so that

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everybody can get a good look at it ok I

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have our guest on the line bill mullah

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and man Schroeder is the sectional state

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director and a star team member of MUFON

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Florida works with Morgan bail very very

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highly regarded Morgan is with with

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MUFON with website and everything but

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i'd like to welcome bill to the show

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welcome bill and thanks for coming on

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tonight oh thanks for having me guys and

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Gavin thanks Bill we're really looking

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forward to this is gonna be fun no not

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me too now bill a question I usually

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start out the night with is how did you

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get interested in UFOs what what story

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or what's behind that when you let let

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her listeners know well I had an amazing

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encounter when I was in the military

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when I was only 18 years old and really

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sat on it my whole life though I kept up

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with ufology having a history of with

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law enforcement I really couldn't come

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out at all because you know of the

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giggle factor and when I finally did

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retire many years after the incident I

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talked to a friend and said well let's

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go public and I reported it and then and

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one thing led to another I met Linda

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Moulton Howe and she interviewed us on

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coast to coast am back in two thousand

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six and then I got tied up with my cap

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and then I joined MUFON and that's where

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I am today I just going crazy now

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totally dedicated to what

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doing here no no I might have missed

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that too bill you're also a member

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nightcap also yes i'm on the nightcap a

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team i'm proud to say very honored to be

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on that group and in you know do a lot

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of work for them also we do archiving

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I'm I that's basically what i do is

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archived files hey Bill did I hear you

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correctly that your background is law

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enforcement oh yeah I was a cop for 25

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years started with Tampa Police

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Department in 1972 and bounced around a

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bit wound up as a really major crimes

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mostly homicide investigator and worth

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the work in Tennessee and then

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instructed all over the East Coast the

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United States a well and and my

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background is law enforcement also so

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you know as one cop to another let me

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ask you a straight-up forward question

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based upon your research and your

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investigations do you think you can

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prove that ET exists beyond a reasonable

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doubt well as a cop you know our our

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level of proof is much different than

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what is this would be my level of proof

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is what I could take to a grand jury or

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what I could take to a jury and get a

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guilty verdict and I guarantee with the

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evidence I've got right now I could do

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that so I'm happy bingo yeah and that

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brings me to another point is that if we

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bring it to the level of proof which is

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beyond a reasonable doubt that you could

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take to a grand jury or to a jury and

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get a conviction don't you think that

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should spark the interest of the

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scientific community since their bar is

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somewhat higher than that okay I'm being

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facetious but you think it would

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stimulate at least on the academic level

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the same interest you know as well let's

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take a hard look at this ya kin I'll

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take morgan and i have had long

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discussions about this about and no

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offense to our scientific community out

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there but sometimes scientists find

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themselves trapped in this box that

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they've created this this impossible box

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and i've got this little thing and that

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Napoleon said impossible is a word

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that's only found in the dictionary of

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fools and nothing is impossible I'm

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sorry yeah

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and I and I like your the way you put it

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and that academia a lot of times paint

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themselves into a corner and and

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unfortunately they they don't have a way

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out for whatever reasons but yeah I like

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that I like the way you put it yep thank

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you that's just the way I've and you got

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it again to the cop to cop it's amazing

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that that we really have enough evidence

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to send somebody to death row I mean I

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could do that but don't know I yeah you

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could we could actually take multiple

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juries and absolutely have a well you

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know what I mean yeah yeah and I you

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know and I think that you know the the

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the investigations at least the ones

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that I've seen that have been done and

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done very well and I can name a half a

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dozen right off the top of my head that

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really shows the integrity of the

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investigator and the investigation and

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then you look at the proof and the

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evidence that its accumulated just on on

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those cases not to mention the hundreds

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maybe thousands of cases worldwide it's

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sometimes it's frustrating for me yeah

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it is for me too and especially dealing

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again dealing with some of the archived

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cases like some of the blue book or

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other military cases I also started an

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organization called military UFO which

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was a site for military witnesses to

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report sightings you know anonymously

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who were afraid to come forward and all

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the stuff I've looked at in those files

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and in the files of my cap and some of

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the old MUFON files I mean the evidence

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is laying right there in front of

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multiple witnesses good sightings

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multiple radar tracks of fighter pilots

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you know I have said I have said for

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years that the smoking gun has been

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right in front of our faith for crying

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out loud I mean if I had that kind of

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evidence going to the district attorney

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okay it wouldn't be a question of guilty

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its complain when are we going to

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execute them absolutely yeah yeah no no

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bill what I all the secrecy by the

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government woody was your

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take on this I really believe that well

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your we look to the our government for

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protection and we're also you know on

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undisputed champion of the world as far

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as power were the most powerful nation

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in the world and to come out and admit

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that we can can't control our own

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airspace would just be more than they

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could do and I mean it would be it would

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be a confession that that they're

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failing in their mission I saw really

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neat sign one time and I think it was

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MUFON it said MUFON it says doing the

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Air Force's work since 1969 Oh bill I

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have the t-shirt okay hey that's pretty

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cool really yeah yeah like that yeah

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you're absolutely correct bill that

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would that would really give us that

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would really give us a sign of weakness

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as a world power I mean I can understand

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that that makes a lot of sense in my

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particular case I knew the truth from

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the beginning you know and I'm not going

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to go into it but I was 18 years old I

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was a kid but I was a pulse acquisition

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mechanic I mean I could take this radar

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apart you know I mean well I couldn't

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build a swing set now but back then I

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could you know I could fill this radar

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and I tracked these targets for four

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hours and I had time enough to look

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through I mean go through my complete

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catalog of what these things were and I

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was we watched Cuba I was in Key West so

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I knew what the Russian bear bombers

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look like American b-52 is I mean I I

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knew them all this was something that

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wasn't made here this was something from

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somewhere else I knew it when I at the

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end of that night I knew it so I've

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never had it out and let me ask you

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something bill and this is something

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that I've i often get into conflict with

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academia and a lot of the journalists

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and when the statement is made there is

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no scientific proof that flying saucers

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exist and I want to ask you right here

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being a radar tech okay is that not a

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scientific instrument absolutely and the

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wonderful thing about the radar the

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wonderful thing about it can't get your

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it can't have optical illusions again

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you you have interference that it's

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susceptible to but a good operator can

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actually you know no problem with that

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good operator can spot you know

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temperature inversions running rabbits

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all you know I know mall so these were

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solid good targets that were controlled

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you know what can I say all right right

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ya know and and you know and here you

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have scientific at least scientific

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evidence I wouldn't go as far as say its

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scientific proof but at least it's one

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more bullet in the chamber okay for the

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smoking gun oh that's correct and then

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when you take well like in not only my

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incidents but you look at all of many of

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the hundreds of radar intercepts that

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have been done by the military that had

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like three radar stations so you're not

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going to have three radars

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malfunctioning at the same time and

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showing the same target it's just not

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going to happen you know oh and I and

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you know I there's a number of cases and

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where you have radar target and you have

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independent eyewitnesses looking at the

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object and then you have a pilot in the

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air that sees the object so you have

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verification you have to go with it the

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radar says there's a solid object there

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and you have and I witnessed sitting

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there looking at it you're gonna have to

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go with what the eyewitnesses telling

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you what they see absolutely absolutely

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I mean thought of being about a boom I

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mean if your dad if you're not trapped

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in your science box in Europe well yeah

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Stanton FEMA got an excellent he has I

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love his he's got some good quotes that

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I chuckle every time I hear it is don't

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confuse me with the evidence my mind's

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made up yeah that's it exactly I know

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it's like yeah that's a home run as far

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as I'm concerned here's here's another

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little well I love these little quotes

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this is mine you got to remember that in

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the history of mankind the scientists

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have always been wrong the science

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fiction writers have always been right

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well yeah absolutely i mean at one time

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there's been a number if man was meant

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to fly god what a game him wings oh yeah

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i let me just go down the list oh yeah

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yeah absolutely so you know when it's

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and i guess you know the frustration in

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my corner bill is that it seems i'm kind

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of a cow i like to think of I'm a common

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sense guy even though my dad would tell

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you that common sense is not very common

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but you know the fact of the matter is

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when you're looking at hardcore facts

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and having a law enforcement background

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you know that duck theory really comes

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into play you know if it walks like a

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duck and quacks like a duck and flies

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like a duck and it even looks like a

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duck hey I think we're dealing with a

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duck let me come on absolutely now build

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when you track these signatures you know

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when you're 18 on the radar did anybody

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else witness this were you told to be

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quiet yeah well you know this is a this

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is an extensive story so sure he did on

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your idiot i but we we actually to the

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best my knowledge NORAD the entire NORAD

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was alerted that night of course I just

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you know they're very compartmentalized

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so I just knew it was going on in my

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little section of the planet but but my

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my launch crew supervisor actually saw

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the one that one came south right over

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our our site and ECM to be shut down my

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site and when I walked out my launch

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crew supervisor was sitting there and

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said we saw it flying over and also it

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was so this was tracked by radar

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stations in homestead Air Force Base at

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homestead and they you know we I watched

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two flights of interceptors go up and so

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they you know obviously other agencies

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were tracking it to says it was multiple

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and then this this turned into a major

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major flap that's you know I don't want

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to push my book here but I've got I've

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got a writer that's working on a book

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that's this turned into much much bigger

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thing than I ever imagined that was just

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wishing well absolutely yeah it wasn't

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is a commode yeah it is and it's going

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to come out and it's basically the story

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about when I started investigating my

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own incident because being the cop I am

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you know even though I knew what

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happened I was looking for evidence to

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back up my own incident and when I

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started digging through the files I

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found out that my incident was part of a

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very small a very small part of a huge

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flap that occurred in that year 1967 and

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in the southeastern United States and

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it's it's it's amazing I and I've had a

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lot of friends course friends and MUFON

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have worked with me Morgan's work of me

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and friends and I cap have really dug

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through files and we'll send me files

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its it should be pretty good i expect i

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have no idea what the title is going to

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be but it should be out the a bill

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summer and you you hit on something you

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know the incident that i was involved

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and i was in the air force in night

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october of 1973 and if you look at all

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of the incidences that happen and i was

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in strategic air command i was at the

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headquarter base at Offutt Air Force

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Base Nebraska and there was a lot I'm

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finding out that there was a whole lot

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of crap going on in 1973 in 1974 in and

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around Strategic Air Command basis oh

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yeah you had an entire missile wing that

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got shut down that was it mal strim

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Malstrom yeah I and I mean that's all in

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the same time frame and which you know

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and you all I had was just a little

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piece of the pie in a little corner at a

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headquarters base in October of 1973 I

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had no idea what the larger picture was

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but our information came from NORAD also

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yes and and just recently I also thank

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the one thanks to one of the nike up

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researchers in Great Britain who founded

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I actually have a visual photograph that

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was taken of the one of the UFOs that I

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was playing with that night from and

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it's a US Air Force photograph and I

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have the documents to back it up so

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things are going good really good good

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yeah you go boy way to go oh yeah I'm

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excited about it yeah

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I tell you what guys were close to a

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541
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:09,149
welcome back to paying radial I do have

542
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:11,740
one more shout out for my buddy Wayne

543
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:14,769
he's on his new adventure in honolulu

544
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:17,289
hawaii he's on he's in Waikiki on a

545
00:25:21,149 --> 00:25:19,510
sailboat listening to paying radio on

546
00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:21,159
the inception radio network so that

547
00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:23,799
that's pretty neat guys he's listening

548
00:25:28,049 --> 00:25:26,169
to our app so that that's uh thanks

549
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,059
Wayne thanks for the support it's got a

550
00:25:33,149 --> 00:25:31,360
shell for him my wife's from wahoo I

551
00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:33,159
know exactly where you are and what

552
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,990
maybe not exactly but I certainly got a

553
00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:37,600
picture of you on that sailboat yeah

554
00:25:41,789 --> 00:25:40,149
coast of Oahu ken it's his third day in

555
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:41,799
Hawaii so he's the hill on a new

556
00:25:45,930 --> 00:25:44,289
adventure so he told man you enjoy yeah

557
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:45,940
you get a chance go to the island of

558
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:47,710
Kauai that's all I'm gonna say yeah

559
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:50,769
there you go so bill arm you're also a

560
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:53,110
MUFON state sectional st. director and a

561
00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:54,940
member of the star team for MUFON

562
00:26:01,980 --> 00:25:59,260
Florida how did you find MUFON I um I

563
00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:01,990
saw the I can't remember I read

564
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:03,820
something online about the MUFON meeting

565
00:26:10,409 --> 00:26:06,730
down in st. Petersburg which is like 15

566
00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:10,419
miles south of me here so I call my got

567
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:12,340
a cousin Dennis we kind of were like

568
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:14,169
brothers we do everything together and

569
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:16,120
he was part of that siting down he was

570
00:26:20,639 --> 00:26:17,620
in the Air Force actually when I was in

571
00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:20,649
the Army down in Key West so this is

572
00:26:24,629 --> 00:26:21,940
something we've talked about our whole

573
00:26:26,639 --> 00:26:24,639
lives and he was actually on the coast

574
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:26,649
to coast am interview with me and then

575
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,690
after that we I saw this move on thing I

576
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:29,919
called him up I said Dennis you want to

577
00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:31,990
get on her and scope him out he's as

578
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,820
well yeah I guess you know and honestly

579
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:35,679
we didn't know what to expect you know I

580
00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:37,330
didn't you know you need the old tin

581
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:39,309
foil hat thing you know we didn't we

582
00:26:47,789 --> 00:26:40,870
didn't know what we were gonna find down

583
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,799
there exactly you know and went to the

584
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:50,080
first meeting and made our meta our

585
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:51,850
assistant State section director Jerry

586
00:27:00,379 --> 00:26:56,529
lang and and she was the Tampa State

587
00:27:02,639 --> 00:27:00,389
section director at that time and the

588
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:02,649
found out they were really a great bunch

589
00:27:06,299 --> 00:27:04,299
of people and they had they all had

590
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:06,309
interesting stories to tell and someone

591
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:08,260
were amazing and I was amazed by the

592
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,210
fact that it looked like most of them

593
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:11,679
were telling the truth because it's you

594
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,289
know it's the you know i'm i'm a body

595
00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:16,150
language guy you know they

596
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:19,540
and I could see no deception anything

597
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:21,100
these amazing stories these people were

598
00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:23,530
telling me so I really really locked on

599
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:27,280
to to move on and in you know who thanks

600
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:29,920
to terry and morgan and i became an

601
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:32,980
investigator and then state section

602
00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:34,990
director for Tampa Bay which is just

603
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,560
great because this is my home and in

604
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:40,000
just recently they put me on the star

605
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:42,400
team but and I also started this

606
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:45,550
organization called mast MUFON aerial

607
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:47,680
surveillance team so I'm really into

608
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,040
MUFON 100 jewel a shins and let me say

609
00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:54,640
this it was your homicide investigation

610
00:27:58,140 --> 00:27:56,020
background that you could read these

611
00:28:00,600 --> 00:27:58,150
people you're you're being able to work

612
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:00,610
the streets and reading body English

613
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:02,290
that you out that they were telling

614
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:04,840
truth absolutely yeah well actually uh

615
00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:07,330
the FBI trained us in the University of

616
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:11,080
North Florida DEA and FBI I went to six

617
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:13,750
weeks school on body language and I

618
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:17,440
accessing and interviewing in

619
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:20,380
interrogation techniques so it's when

620
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:22,660
I'm when I'm really accessing somebody

621
00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:24,670
it's very very hard to lie to me you

622
00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:28,420
know and III scene I was amazed let's

623
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:31,990
just say I was amazed that's got to be a

624
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:34,930
big bonus factor when you're in vessel

625
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:38,200
talking to a witness oh yeah yeah yeahs

626
00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:41,350
body english says a lot oh yeah it does

627
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:45,280
yeah yeah no peeling son my son went to

628
00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:47,710
there's a school now a private school

629
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:49,180
called Wicklund ER because i own to my

630
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:51,250
own detective agency for 12 years and i

631
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:54,010
sent my son to WIC lander which is he's

632
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:55,930
kind of got like a PhD in body language

633
00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:57,910
and when my son and i want to have a

634
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,010
good evening out we go hit the bars and

635
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:01,600
we read all the couples that are coming

636
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:05,980
in you know who's gonna get lucky and

637
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:09,610
who is it yeah bill on a lot of your

638
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:11,350
investigations are you are you able to

639
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:13,750
do one-on-ones and go right to the the

640
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:17,500
scene or talk to the witness I probably

641
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:20,110
do scene investigations maybe thirty

642
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:23,050
percent because the way that Florida's

643
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:24,760
stretched out in the amount of cases we

644
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:27,400
get I don't I don't always get local

645
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:29,290
cases I might get you know

646
00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:32,350
case in fort myers or and it's just the

647
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:35,470
we have so many the florida is so active

648
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:38,560
and and we really need investigators

649
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:40,690
hunt anybody wants it will move on

650
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:43,290
investigator in florida we need you but

651
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:47,380
we do we when I can I get out and we

652
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,450
just went up to alachua county way up

653
00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:51,340
north for an investigation we went out

654
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,800
to the central part of the state when

655
00:29:59,310 --> 00:29:56,320
we've got really high end looks like

656
00:30:01,680 --> 00:29:59,320
good information will will travel but a

657
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:01,690
lot of the orbs or lights in the sky and

658
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:03,990
stuff like that I usually do by phone

659
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:07,690
yeah same same here and you try having a

660
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:09,970
try having only two people running all

661
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:11,380
doing all the investigations in the

662
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:15,690
states there's only two of us well and I

663
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:18,730
understand the term UFO and and you know

664
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:20,530
that's a government term that they gave

665
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:25,450
us conveniently but but I bill i'm

666
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:28,570
interested in structured craft and when

667
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:30,850
i talked to witnesses or i get a case

668
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:33,310
and they said well this thing was shiny

669
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:35,620
it was metallic it was dish i said well

670
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:39,670
you you know you you got you saw an IFO

671
00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:41,530
you identified what it is now you may

672
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,680
not be able to pitney all say it was a

673
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:45,760
plane or anything else you can tell me

674
00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:47,410
what it wasn't and you're telling me

675
00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:49,060
it's just shape and its metallic well

676
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,620
that's a solid object that's not a

677
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:52,720
lightness guy and those cases are the

678
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,270
ones that intrigued me oh yeah me too

679
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:57,520
yeah i just i just worked when in fort

680
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,160
myers say that I'm really excited about

681
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:01,360
I talk to the witness three or four

682
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:05,080
times a triangle that that came just

683
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:07,210
drifted into the back basically almost

684
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:09,280
his backyard it was a block away a 50

685
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:10,840
foot wide triangle in the middle of the

686
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:15,010
night silent and pulled to about a block

687
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:17,140
away done a slow swivel to the south

688
00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:19,540
didn't Bank just slowly swivel to the

689
00:31:23,010 --> 00:31:21,400
south and moved off to the south you

690
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:23,020
know and I catch a lot of you know what

691
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:25,570
my family still isn't into the end of

692
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,290
the MUFON and you know that stalking my

693
00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:30,880
wife about that case and she just looks

694
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:32,680
at me and she says well you know if you

695
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:34,750
believe my Jesus how could nobody see

696
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:36,130
that I said well think about it right

697
00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:37,810
now we're sitting in the aisles there

698
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:39,280
could be one landing out there if it was

699
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:40,690
silent we wouldn't even know it she's

700
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:41,370
young

701
00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:46,140
right yes I mean you either believe

702
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:47,670
these people are you don't but when you

703
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:49,380
get multiple witnesses to tell you the

704
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:52,230
same thing like Ken said you know you

705
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:53,910
know you know it's not anything that's

706
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:56,730
that's that's up there I mean so it's

707
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,340
it's a it's in a it's a vehicle you know

708
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:02,000
from somewhere else I don't know where

709
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:05,250
well you know when you know the incident

710
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,450
that occurred when I was in the Air

711
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,760
Force it became really apparent that if

712
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:11,760
it was the Russians or the Chinese it

713
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:17,250
was game over okay and and and yet you

714
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:20,010
know our our technology was ahead of the

715
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:21,990
Russians and the Chinese so if the

716
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:24,600
wasn't ours and I knew it wasn't theirs

717
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:26,940
then the question becomes who did they

718
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:29,820
exactly belong to who yeah yeah that's

719
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:31,470
why when i get these conversations about

720
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:33,929
battling aliens from outer space there

721
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,150
would be no battle so here you know

722
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:37,980
they're so they're so technically it be

723
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:39,570
like guys fighting a hill of eight well

724
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:41,010
they've countered the ability the

725
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:45,350
treasure traverse space okay then yeah

726
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:47,790
our ability to fly within our own

727
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:53,460
atmosphere is it is nothing yeah if you

728
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,110
can't control the air and you know that

729
00:33:01,160 --> 00:32:58,500
you were on the hawk entire surface to

730
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:01,170
air missile you know if you control the

731
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:03,030
air you can have a damn good chance of

732
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:04,440
controlling what's going on the ground

733
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:07,650
so yeah now these these these craft are

734
00:33:12,410 --> 00:33:09,420
far beyond anything that we're capable

735
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:12,420
even today no they fly with impunity

736
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:14,730
across our skies and they travel with

737
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:17,250
impunity through our oceans no problem

738
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,170
at all oh I think it's arrogance there's

739
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,240
nothing we can do about it okay I'm

740
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:22,860
sorry but they come and go as they

741
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:25,470
please and they come and do what they

742
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:30,179
please that's correct and and and that

743
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:33,210
goes to I call it kidnappings but people

744
00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:35,250
know it better as abductions but no you

745
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:37,020
you're right can I just had a meeting

746
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:40,050
one of my meetings that are very very

747
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:42,990
distraught a lady appeared and said that

748
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,330
she had been taken and and she said I

749
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:47,640
don't want to do this and I said you

750
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:49,170
know it's terrible but they don't care

751
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:51,450
you know they don't let who care some of

752
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,250
them you know yeah I you know I

753
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:55,360
that's interesting you bring that up

754
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:00,640
bill because I mean the and I consider

755
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:03,720
this part of their weakness they may be

756
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:05,650
thousands of years ahead of us

757
00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:07,030
technologically but they're not

758
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:11,710
infallible no okay and you know the the

759
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:14,740
pure arrogance as I see it and maybe I'm

760
00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:16,540
reading it wrong but they come and go

761
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:19,990
like you say with impunity and they do

762
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:21,700
what the hell they want to do and there

763
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:23,770
isn't a damned thing we can do about it

764
00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:27,070
at least nothing I've seen no and you

765
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:28,750
know she was concerned about why she was

766
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,760
picked as it's just like reaching into a

767
00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:32,800
box of mice and picking one up there's

768
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:35,800
no that that they don't care you know

769
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:39,060
which mouse they picked up you know

770
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,830
that's a terrible thing to say and I I'm

771
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,280
gonna lose a lot of people i don't know

772
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:48,960
i've got a craving for cheese so i guess

773
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:51,960
but i do believe there are multiple

774
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:54,100
civilizations visiting us i really

775
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:55,870
believe that based on the different

776
00:35:01,140 --> 00:34:58,570
types of craft i believe and we probably

777
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:01,150
have civilizations that don't care one

778
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:02,890
way or another we have civilizations

779
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,940
that are here and for research and lord

780
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:08,560
only knows what their motives are you

781
00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:11,140
know yeah yeah I'm how to present with

782
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:12,580
you on the fact that I think there are

783
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,310
multiple species come in here and for

784
00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:17,800
different reasons I do believe that one

785
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:21,640
species though bill has a vested

786
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:24,910
interest in us and I don't know why okay

787
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:27,100
because I think that our DNA is still

788
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:28,690
being tweaked that's a theory that I

789
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:32,290
believe in is that our chromosomes are

790
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:34,090
still being messed with that's reason

791
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:35,800
why we see these abductions we're still

792
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:39,430
evolving I that I think the one species

793
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:41,620
it's coming here has a vet and not

794
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:43,690
necessarily for our benefit our good

795
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:45,880
either i mean i don't know what the

796
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:48,250
motive is but they're interested in us

797
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:53,410
oh yes and in that that's backed up by

798
00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:57,070
these multi-generational abductions and

799
00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:59,500
multi-generational contactees where the

800
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:01,990
grandmother was a contact e and the

801
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:04,180
mother was a contact e and the you know

802
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:05,890
it is because through generations that's

803
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,720
that somebody study

804
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:10,000
us lets you know I always think about

805
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:12,010
the I can't figure we'll name the woman

806
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:13,570
that used to watch the Apes and she

807
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:15,490
would watch the multiple generations of

808
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,130
the law I like it I I go even Byron R we

809
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:21,280
I liken it to Marlin Perkins in the Wild

810
00:36:26,849 --> 00:36:24,970
Kingdom right yeah he's got Jim jumping

811
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:26,859
out of the helicopter to tag a water

812
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:28,810
buffalo that they shot with a dart so

813
00:36:32,339 --> 00:36:30,430
they can figure out where you know and

814
00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:32,349
hopefully Jim's got his insurance paid

815
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:36,430
up okay you're right yeah but yeah this

816
00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:42,119
one species is is interested in us oh

817
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:46,540
yeah and and you know oh and i think

818
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:49,930
there's historic evidence if you look at

819
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:52,300
the you know the Sumerian tablets and

820
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:53,470
what they were talking about the

821
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:57,010
Annunaki are you familiar with a moral

822
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:01,210
Bellino oh no no I'm not yeah you might

823
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:02,490
want to check him out he was a

824
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:04,660
translator for the Vatican and they

825
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:07,690
fired him after 12 years it's an

826
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,420
interesting story what he found out for

827
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:13,320
the translation for the ancient texts

828
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:16,750
okay and he's not he wasn't he speaks

829
00:37:20,609 --> 00:37:18,520
like seven languages in anyway long

830
00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:20,619
story short there's a lot of indications

831
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:23,320
that the species has been playing with

832
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:27,510
this for over a couple of thousand years

833
00:37:32,099 --> 00:37:30,280
no no bill I've noticed that too in some

834
00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:32,109
of my over the phone in investigations

835
00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:34,060
to they'll they'll tell you what they've

836
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:35,980
seen then they'll tell you oh my grandma

837
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:39,730
also seen this or my mother so I mean

838
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:40,830
there's a lot of time with

839
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:43,000
multi-generational abductions definitely

840
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:45,820
oh yeah happens all the time absolutely

841
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:48,910
definitely so any any any investigation

842
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:51,010
stand out like oh this totally blew your

843
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:52,750
mind away you know something you can

844
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,250
think of in the last I mean since you've

845
00:38:01,680 --> 00:37:57,280
been in MUFON one that kind of sticks in

846
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:01,690
your memories like wow uh well uh

847
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,450
mother's that it's that the triangles

848
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:06,160
were you know we we've had a lot of

849
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:09,010
triangles lately but I haven't had one

850
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:11,530
of those okay you know I'm been

851
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:13,510
investigated for what almost two years

852
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:15,570
and have had a lot of really interesting

853
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:18,550
investigations but I haven't had one

854
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:21,130
that that you know was like

855
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:25,740
that amazing you know but all of these

856
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:29,890
all of these are I don't it's hard to

857
00:38:34,319 --> 00:38:31,720
put into words when I hear the

858
00:38:36,359 --> 00:38:34,329
excitement of a person that's on the

859
00:38:38,849 --> 00:38:36,369
phone and even on the phone I can speak

860
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:38,859
I can spot a legitimate person you know

861
00:38:43,499 --> 00:38:40,900
and and when they're when they're

862
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:43,509
talking about seeing like this Trent

863
00:38:48,329 --> 00:38:45,730
this last triangle was they kept saying

864
00:38:51,509 --> 00:38:48,339
it was translucent and they could see

865
00:38:54,089 --> 00:38:51,519
through it and and we we've got one

866
00:38:56,549 --> 00:38:54,099
witness out in lakeland florida that saw

867
00:38:58,740 --> 00:38:56,559
multiple and this whole neighborhood saw

868
00:39:01,499 --> 00:38:58,750
that's wonderful thing about it that he

869
00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:01,509
went out and got his neighbor's if I

870
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:04,420
think nine huge triangle-shaped craft

871
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:06,430
you just slowly drifted over their

872
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:09,210
neighborhood out there in Lakeland and

873
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:11,950
stuff like that just amazes me and I in

874
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:14,650
it and I'm little upset because although

875
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:18,190
i have my radar you know data that i had

876
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:21,069
and that's great citing i envy all these

877
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:22,990
people because I'd really like to put my

878
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:24,910
eyes on one of these things and that's

879
00:39:33,029 --> 00:39:27,730
that's that's part what started mast you

880
00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:33,039
know definitely definitely now now

881
00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:35,259
you're located near the Gulf they're

882
00:39:40,019 --> 00:39:37,180
denied you getting reports of the

883
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,029
underwater UFOs at all oh yeah I just

884
00:39:46,349 --> 00:39:43,599
done a presentation yesterday for the my

885
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:46,359
MUFON State section we do presentations

886
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:47,890
for our area and my sectional

887
00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:50,049
presentation yesterday was dedicated to

888
00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:52,660
us O's in the Gulf of Mexico Gulf of

889
00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:55,900
Mexico is an amazing body of water I I

890
00:39:59,999 --> 00:39:58,180
was on my own at 15 and I used to work

891
00:40:01,529 --> 00:40:00,009
on a charter boat out of Tampa and we

892
00:40:03,859 --> 00:40:01,539
take lawyers out there and get them

893
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:03,869
drunk you know in the Gulf of Mexico but

894
00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:07,210
but but okay bill did you leave any out

895
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:12,549
there arnon I was I was the first meet

896
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:16,089
on a two-man boat you know but with it

897
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:17,859
we would take him out there get a drunk

898
00:40:20,849 --> 00:40:19,660
tell about all the tuna they caught or

899
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:20,859
whatever and then bring him back you

900
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:23,380
know that but what we would spend nights

901
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,900
out there 50 60 miles out and we heard

902
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:28,450
amazing things you know I never seen a

903
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:31,990
UFO you for a USO out there but we would

904
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:33,609
hear amazing sounds and stuff the Gulf

905
00:40:36,819 --> 00:40:34,400
of Mexico

906
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:36,829
there is a really cool place and you got

907
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:38,270
to remember in the north end of the Gulf

908
00:40:43,539 --> 00:40:41,270
of Mexico there's that section there is

909
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,549
there's been more useful reports there

910
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:45,680
in any place in the world any place in

911
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,430
the world so and you've got the what's

912
00:40:54,819 --> 00:40:51,520
what's called the cigs be deep out there

913
00:40:56,859 --> 00:40:54,829
yeah which is an amazing it's called the

914
00:40:59,289 --> 00:40:56,869
Grand Canyon of the of the oceans

915
00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:59,299
there's nope no where in the in the seas

916
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:02,390
that looks like it and at the north end

917
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:04,670
of the cigs be deep is the DeSoto trench

918
00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:06,380
which they don't know how it got there

919
00:41:11,019 --> 00:41:08,390
and it's like this it's like this trench

920
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:11,029
that goes up from the CBD and if you

921
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:12,980
follow the DeSoto tranche out to the

922
00:41:16,510 --> 00:41:14,660
very end you're going to reach this spot

923
00:41:19,539 --> 00:41:16,520
where all these UFO sightings have been

924
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:19,549
firm since the 1800s so there's stuff

925
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:21,770
going on on the Gulf of Mexico bill do

926
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:23,270
you think there's a base here on this

927
00:41:30,849 --> 00:41:28,460
planet I see no reason logistically why

928
00:41:34,029 --> 00:41:30,859
they wouldn't put basis under the ocean

929
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:34,039
it me too if they can trance if they can

930
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:36,410
transport themselves through the ocean

931
00:41:41,019 --> 00:41:38,420
with without detection without

932
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:41,029
resistance it's the best place they

933
00:41:45,309 --> 00:41:43,010
could be it's the absolute best place to

934
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:45,319
get back yeah I agree one hundred

935
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:47,480
percent that makes sense if they can

936
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:49,099
travel in space they can definitely

937
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:51,260
travel in the ocean with ease definitely

938
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:54,710
and LMK better go ahead no no I'm just

939
00:41:59,620 --> 00:41:57,260
going to say you know you the key phrase

940
00:42:01,599 --> 00:41:59,630
there logistically yeah that's what I

941
00:42:04,299 --> 00:42:01,609
was going to say if you're going to set

942
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:04,309
up an operation anywhere whether it's a

943
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:07,220
foreign country a foreign planet you

944
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:09,410
have to have the logistical system to

945
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:12,680
support your your work and that's going

946
00:42:16,269 --> 00:42:14,510
to be your operation your mission right

947
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,279
yeah your mission that's going to be

948
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:18,319
centrally located and it's going to be a

949
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:20,210
place that you can keep secret and where

950
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:22,190
else would what else would be great

951
00:42:26,799 --> 00:42:24,170
between the continents ease ocean or in

952
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:26,809
the Gulf of Mexico at the CBD you there

953
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:28,130
you could be down there nobody would

954
00:42:31,809 --> 00:42:30,230
ever know it build the problem with you

955
00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:31,819
is you gotta quit thinking like a cop

956
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:33,940
and start thinking like a scientist okay

957
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:36,440
yeah no I don't think that's gonna

958
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:40,190
happen hahaha yeah it makes sense it's

959
00:42:45,609 --> 00:42:43,490
common sense yeah logistical II i say re

960
00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:45,619
i'm in the same boat pardon the pun but

961
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:47,109
i think there is

962
00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:50,980
is a base here on the planet and the

963
00:42:55,019 --> 00:42:52,660
most logical place hey well let's put it

964
00:42:57,769 --> 00:42:55,029
this way if I was running the operation

965
00:43:01,440 --> 00:42:57,779
I'd put it in the ocean I would

966
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:01,450
absolutely yeah you have your reports

967
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,369
down by Cuba you have over by Los

968
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:05,650
Angeles I mean there's a lot of reports

969
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:08,049
of the u.s. those in the water coming

970
00:43:16,589 --> 00:43:11,339
out it's it's a great place to hide oh

971
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:16,599
absolutely oh yeah well I've I've got a

972
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:19,890
I've got a good story about the

973
00:43:29,009 --> 00:43:24,720
Philippine Sea it comes from a from a

974
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,019
submariner but I have to hold off I you

975
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:31,119
know I'm just not they gave my work but

976
00:43:39,539 --> 00:43:35,650
it has to do with the US OS of the coast

977
00:43:42,839 --> 00:43:39,549
of the Philippines yeah yeah yeah it's

978
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:42,849
interesting but and that's called a

979
00:43:47,549 --> 00:43:45,460
tease yes yeah yeah yeahs thought I was

980
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:47,559
gonna say it I would like to go down the

981
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:50,470
road but I I understand get there were

982
00:43:54,269 --> 00:43:52,660
yeah I gave the word i can't i can't go

983
00:43:55,739 --> 00:43:54,279
any further than that i've been the same

984
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:55,749
boat with a lot of stuff i'm working on

985
00:43:59,759 --> 00:43:57,880
yeah and you know that being hey when

986
00:44:02,640 --> 00:43:59,769
you had a somebody that was working with

987
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,650
you on a homicide case or you know I

988
00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:04,720
work vice and narcotics for five years

989
00:44:09,749 --> 00:44:07,420
and and you had an informant as what

990
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:09,759
they referred to as those giving you

991
00:44:17,789 --> 00:44:14,529
information you know yes you have to

992
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:17,799
honor that yeah exactly that's you know

993
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:19,150
what I'm talking about because you not

994
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:20,440
only lose him you're gonna lose

995
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:22,089
everybody else because your credibility

996
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:24,940
it's gone absolutely that's it right

997
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:28,450
there so now bill what what is the most

998
00:44:32,789 --> 00:44:30,220
common shape reported in you in your

999
00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:32,799
section was is it triangles or just your

1000
00:44:35,819 --> 00:44:34,599
your common lights in the sky the

1001
00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:35,829
biggest thing we've got right now is

1002
00:44:42,989 --> 00:44:40,809
orbs oh yeah yes as far as and really

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a lot of our content is free i mean most

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the vast majority of our archives are

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for free but to pay the bills to help

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hello everyone Laurieann Fenton here

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is a preview of that premium content the

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insider's club is how we pay the bills

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that's how you support higher and you

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joined forces with irn to get the truth

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out there now a lot of our content is

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free i mean most of our content industry

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all of our lives shows are free if you

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go to our archives the vast majority of

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our archives are for free but to pay the

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support our network and become a part of

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our n actually joined forces and helping

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us get the truth out there now how do

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you do this again you go to inception

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radio network com and

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will you'll have access to all of our

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thank you hello everyone lorien Fenton

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here hosted the California MUFON radio

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show asking if you'd like special access

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